Olive and us

[Corrie van Wijk]

Olive: "Wondering if any expansion on what the dreaming signalling dreaming signalling dreaming pattern involves might be possible? ... I'm guessing at something along the lines of dreaming, listening to and dealing with signals in lucid dreams?"

[Steve Saunders]

Hi Olive, thanks for asking, it is so new that i have only tried this with myself - thus self-modelling.

i did not do any active processing or asking of any clean questions ... more what I did was to allow the signals to flow - probably like a meditator letting the mind do its job until it ceases ...

So, i lay down, in the dark, noticed my body's movings, and noticed this led into a dream, dream-like state, and that the dream finally ended up in a real-world memory of me as a baby, with music around ... at all times I did nothing other than observse, witness, no thoughts, no comments, no meta-nothing.

Since then i now have waking and sleeping experiences of, for me, unprecedented clarity - as if now i can experience memory like Tolkien spoke of Elves memory - waking dreams as if they are real, really there - whereas I had silence and just sensory experience, now I can have full-sensory mind-imaginary universe, too.

Maybe I crossed a cosmological boundary relating to the real and the imaginary and their separation, but now i'm experiencing a consistent clarity that I've only had for a few times-days in times gone by ... a fully present group unconscious where when I think of a person they contact me immediately if i'm thinking of contact them, and probably they are thinking of me as I think of them. I've experienced this many times before but not for prolonged periods. I feel now this way of being can be maintained.

The truth of Osiris will out.

[Corrie van Wijk]

Hi Steve,

I was about to add something to this thread like "not do any active processing or asking of any clean questions", which Olive already did, because I know that even a clean move can interrupt or disturb the process and I know you'll report on it whenever you are ready, when you already had.

So indeed, "when I think of a person they contact me immediately if i'm thinking of contact them, and probably they are thinking of me as I think of them.", we are connected.

So Olive,

now that he did, feel free to ask any further questions, if clean, or share your own experience.

Also, I remember Phil writing something about this elsewhere on this forum so he may want to join this private conversation as well.

Corrie

[Olive]

Hello-ing,

It was unexpected for me to find a new thread with my name at the top, after only two posts ! Olive and us, an interesting title, for me at least.

Steven, First apologies for interupting the self modelling, accidental, without considering what I was doing. And thank you so much for sharing your process. Very interesting for me, what you describe sounds at least partly familiar from daydreaming (a lot at school :-) and from sleepless nights, but with some very big, crucial differences ie no thoughts, no comments at all on what occurs. Definitely want to experience this tonight.

[Olive]

Olive and us, in self modelling posts - "A place for people to do self-modelling,... to use Clean-related processes to explore their own material ... please respect people's material and do not reply or comment on threads in the Self-Modelling forum."

A three way self modelling / four way if Phil joins ? Delighted with that invitation, thanking :-)

[Olive]

OK, had two goes at the process now, and useful results. Both times in the dark, though suspect I could get it working in the daytime - I used to at school lol.

Keeping the thoughts, comments and judgements at bay was harder than I thought - is this dialogue part of the dream, or meta judgement dialogue? and a meta process to decide!

First time with the process I had 2 real memories, the first from last year, a situation I have been in many times, not traumatic or anything, but understand why the one from the dream was different to others, and came to an understanding of it I hadn't before. The second memory is as a very young child being carried across a fast flowing channel of water on the beach. Know its significant, but not why. Second time only one real memory, but from a nightime dream, a nightmare. One small part of it, I understand why that occurred now.

So look forward to further experimenting. Be interested to hear how Steve or others are getting on. The process has already been useful, so much appreciate it being shared.

love Olive

[Steve Saunders]

Thank you for sharing Olive, appreciated, and glad it works, even though the instructions are vague.

Since then I've had nothing else happen, but I am aware of a direction of awareness that I could take. If I do, I'll report on the process.

The thoughts all have purposes ... maybe letting them flow will complete them, allowing an experience without them ... however, I guess there is no reason why not to also have the thoughts running as well ...

love Steven

[Steve Saunders]

I recall that a highly aware medium-psychic lady, in 2004, told me that I was a full physical medium. At the time I did not believe it, or really understand her world or why she said this. What I know now is that there are empathies and that we each have different sensitivities to different forms of energies. I realise now that my particular empathy is "physical" - as in picking up precise body pains, physical wounds, illnesses, things like birthing pain memory, heart/lung problems etc, even as to which car driver is experiencing heart pain likely to have an attack. Other people have emotional or more spirit-tended sensitivity. I have aspects of these but the physical is the strongest for me - thus i now interpret literally the "full physical medium". Other people have "social sensitivity", or "political sensitivity", all intuitive strengths just different ones.

[Corrie van Wijk]

any memories of Spanish lullabies?

[Steve Saunders]

who knows Corrie? I did once find myself doing a solo dance on retreat in Spain, to be told by a delegate that this was an old spanish folk dance - relevant to them at the time ... many a spaniard of the armada made it to the Dorset coast and blended into the local community ... perhaps some ancestral imprinting ...?

[Corrie van Wijk]

Not to forget the Dutch connection: we kicked the Spaniards out remember.

[phil]

Maybe the genes of the dance were in the sangría?

[Steve Saunders]

and the genes of the sangria could have come from where?

[Feralchild]

The influence of dancing sunspots upon the plants ?

[Steve Saunders]

LOL, dance, dance, wherever you may be, ....

[Olive]

Wondering if there has been any further progress/developments/insights from the dance of the dreaming signalling process...? Did the new experience of memory remain over time? I've been playing with this and it seems productive, especially useful when struggling with other clean processes. Thinking this might be on to something ....

[Steve Saunders]

Hi Olive,

After some eventful and pre-occupying times, actually this has come back to the forefront - literally in the last few days - as usual a great 'coincidence'. :-)

The music is strengthening in inner experience, and am meeting people who live with this as a waking life - the nonlexic world is full of people for whom words are just so trivial and so much less than their experience.

The process works for sure, and it moves more into daytime experience also; it is a matter of staying noticing. For example, last thursday i was pondering direction, and literally a thunderstorm arrived and passed quickly by. I associated the focus of attention at the time as a signal of direction (thursday/thor/god of lightning etc), and have acted on that.

Using the process more results in a daytime dreamlike experience richer than anything material. This is the experience of living the real and the imaginary together, not apart.

There is a vast range of clean process. Metaphor and space are but two bits of one aspect of the greater whole.

I suggest direct email if you want to see more process depth, Olive. (steve at holigral dot com)

Steven

[Olive]

Hi Steven,

I also came back to this in the last week, why I post now.

I haven't got it in daytime experience, but had wondered if this would eventually be possible, real and imaginary together, perhaps something like a lucid dreaming experience? And realising this sort of thing can't really be discussed with 'normal' people !!

Wondered, if past, present and future are all now, can 'future' events be seen, known, or created in this state? And not expecting you to post it, but do you already know how?

Understanding Holigral has a lot more processes and depth, is it more processes, or more depth on this process you were offering?

[Steve Saunders]

Hi Olive,

Time does collapse to now; and then in my experience both the past and the future emanate from now; I scan the archaeological news for shifts in the present in terms of changed past/perceptions, for example.

There are many more processes for sure (LOL) and more depth on this; undoing the structures of self, principally the 'cosmological boundaries' leads to increasing beingness with a 'richer' content - let's put it that way!

With more people opening up to wider realities, the cultural field is becoming easier for others to also widen their awareness.

:-) Steven