Modelling movement

[Corrie van Wijk]

In the clean space section, Phil wrote some time ago:

"When client is moving body or part of body:

'And [hand, foot, eyes, torso, etc] moving?'

'And anything else about moving [like that]?'

'And what kind of moving [is that]?'

'And where could moving [like that] come from?'

'And how old could moving [like that] be?'


When/As client is travelling through space:

All questions above and

'And [what's] happening between [gesture towards direction from] and [gesture towards direction to]?

'And anything else about moving between [gesture towards direction from] and [gesture towards direction to]?

'And where are you?'

'And where is [pronoun]?'"

How does this relate to J&P, in MiM: "You should only verbally reference their body expressions after they have labelled them for themselves. [...] 'And what kind of movement is that movement?' would have attached our words to the client's experience."

[phil]

Do you have a sense of how it relates?

What occurs to me is that J&P are referring to staying as clean as possible in Symbolic Modelling. In terms of exploring movement as cleanly as possible, the facilitator needs to decide how universal 'movement' and 'moving' are as metaphors and thus how admissible in terms of being clean. Even David's cleanest questions contain some metaphors and presuppositions. In the experimental questions that you mention, the word 'moving' would not necessarily be said (see below).

Personally, I mean to avoid using a body part label unless the client had labelled it already , e.g. if they hold their hand out as a mute answer to a question, I might ask 'and what kind of [indicate or simulate hand position] is that?'. Or I might make a mute response, that is, simulate the gesture and wait, maybe adding a querying look I think it may promote psychoactivity.

Re movement, I am guessing that in the question it would also be best to simulate rather than describe e.g. if they move their hand in a particular way, I might ask 'and what kind of [simulate gesture] is that?' rather than saying 'what kind of movement?'.

Is simulating the client's movement in a movement-oriented piece of work similar or different to using the client's own words in a language-oriented piece?

Phil