projection - moved from scaling thread

[Corrie van Wijk]

"The only criteria that really matters:

Accepting me as I am. This is because only once a person has realised emotionally as well as intellectually that every single thing they see in other people is their own "stuff", then do they really understand projection. And as projection is the core, the key to understanding this work, no point teaching it until then!

Steven"

What you are really saying is that people need to share your world view, Steve. And as you continually don't seem able to acknowledge your own projection on this, what is true for you that you need to take such an elitist point of view?

For me, accepting who you are means to take into account that you are not able to separate your world view from those of others. That is a clean point of view from me.

[Steve Saunders]

What I'm saying is what I'm saying not what you are interpreting. I perceive that your reply judges me; precisely my point. I have my world view; You have yours, whether I agree with it or not. So its my projection that you judge me; whether you do or not.

Clean exists to ask clean questions because we cannot know the other person's reality; we make inferences but they only tell the inferencer about themselves.

The only way to learn this stuff is to DO it. Talking and analysing is going nowhere IMO. I cannot teach you or anyone; I provide the environment where people make their own learnings. What I find is that those ready to learn different things are present at the right time - somehow magically, who knows how it works?

And whereabouts in your body or head or outside could your sense of elitism be?

Would you teach this work to a psychopath? Would you teach it to anyone, or at some point are there criteria the "teacher" applies in this work? David had criteria; he told me who he did not want at future workshops.

And whereabouts is your sense of "projection"?

Corrie, I accept your behaviour as it is. If you expect me to agree with what you say then your expectation might be unrealised. Thank you for your comments. As I'm also not your facilitator I will not ask you to accept your projections are about you.

[Corrie van Wijk]

Steve: "What I'm saying is what I'm saying not what you are interpreting. I perceive that your reply judges me; precisely my point. I have my world view; You have yours, whether I agree with it or not. So its my projection that you judge me; whether you do or not."

Yes I do judge you: my interpretation is that you do not seem able to separate your worldview from those of others. And that is serious, because if you cannot distinguish between a you and a me, you don''t have a clean attitude.

Steve: "David had criteria; he told me who he did not want at future workshops."

Which criteria?

Steve: "Corrie, I accept your behaviour as it is."

No you don't.

[Steve Saunders]

QUOTE: [Corrie: Yes I do judge you: my interpretation is that you do not seem able to separate your worldview from those of others. And that is serious, because if you cannot distinguish between a you and a me, you don''t have a clean attitude.

Steve: "David had criteria; he told me who he did not want at future workshops."
Corrie: Which criteria?

Steve: "Corrie, I accept your behaviour as it is."
Corrie: No you don't. ]

He did not tell me his criteria, but he definitely showed behaviours that inferred criteria of appropriate delegates for workshops - like saying who could NOT attend in future. Anyone "borderline" for example (see standard psychiatric definitions for "borderline").

Corrie, I am able to distinguish that I have a different world view from others. That I significantly fail to understand other people's world views is perhaps a big enough clue for me? And of course mine is the RIGHT one! ;-)

My interest is in precisely how other people do think/feel/react/be - we are so wonderfully different. In fact the content is becoming ever-more interesting to me - yes, the story!

I do not wish you to be any way other than you are as you are; thus I do accept you by my definition of accepting someone else as they are - including your disagreement - it's fine by me!

love Steven

[Corrie van Wijk]

Thank you for your eloquent explanation in the Feedback section of how an emergent process works: indeed I was very much frustrated by being moved around all the time, which confused me and took me out of the flow of processing our notes from the emergent gathering. I try to finish on my own computer, but it's different if nobody reads it.

Steve: "That I significantly fail to understand other people's world views is perhaps a big enough clue for me? And of course mine is the RIGHT one! ;-)"

I call this the WIKI-syndrom: What I Know Is. For most people this is just an unability to take a second position and to realize that there is a lot of knowledge they don't know about, so they cannot even imagine anything else.
In your case, as I found out, it's different: it seems to me that you are a little beyond knowledge. I guess once you travelled into the marvels of quantummechanics and cosmology, this worldly knowledge isn't that important any more.

I learned that your worldview is essential for you, so I decided to accept that. David would have said, also to you: "Thank you for being who you are, you're just right!"