The Tao of Clean

[Corrie van Wijk]

Dear Steve,

If you don''t 'mind', I took this contribution of yours to another thread, and labelled it as "The Tao of Clean". The 'reason' is that this is a philosophical (not a metaphysical) discussion, so I'll think about it:

Steve: "Er no it does not need verifying

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That's the whole point; you would not need to verify if you knew what lies beyond mind."

Corrie: "No indeed, you don't need to verify what you believe in."

Steve: "A number of people have now attained no-mind sustainedly from my programme, and several million Tibetans, its not that rare! They can vouch for it. That will have to do whether or not anyone else likes it or not. And ..."

"Indeed, it is enough."

Steve: "No mind is a void like emptiness, even Lao Tzu said the TAO was indescribable in 500 BCE."

Corrie: "Indeed, there can be a lot of comfort in ancient people's beliefs."

Steve: "Into the void comes projections of others; that's how we know how to respond - emotions are back to front; they come from outside in the past present or future as that which cannot be inside the body of the other person who projected it. Denial is the biggest form of defence mechanism relating to projection. I've given up bothering to get other people to get this now - they will at the right time:"

Corrie: "And when projections of others cannot be inside the body of the other person, that's like what?"

Steve: "What you see in me is ONLY you; 100%. You cannot see me as I truly am. Do not judge me, you only judge yourself. Accept me as I am, 100% unreservedly. I do the same for you. This is the way. So, I only ask a question when a client asks me to ask one."

Corrie: "How can I accept you as you are, if I cannot see you as you truly are, and what I see in you in ONLY 100% me?"

Steve: "What I speak for you is the knowledge that the "you" in my body has placed here to be spoken to you. What I tell you about you is for me about me and what I reveal about myself is about you. And vice versa. The true universe is back to front or upside down or inside-out from how a mind sees it."

Corrie: "What did I place in your body to be spoken to me? What do you tell me about me that is about you? What do you reveal about yourself that is about me?"

Steve: "Eyes project OUT to then receive back in the reflections. The trauma of dissociation happens when the smooth flow of out-in is interrupted by a shock or when something is not understood. It is the same being looking out through every pair of eyes. Me is You."

Corrie: "What is the relationship between [a shock/something not understood] and [Me is You]?

Steve: "So, you asked how to represent beyond mind; well awareness of things like the above is crystal clear, for sure, and probably normal people think you're mad! So what do they know? Not a lot!"

Corrie: "And when [awareness of things like the above is crytal clear], what happens to ["you're mad!"]?"

Steve: "love Steven"

Love,

Corrie (or was it Hecate?)

[Steve Saunders]

And when my projection on another cannot be inside my body, then I am denying the experience or the expression myself. Its like when a saint is responsible for making sinners. If the saint does not allow the bad to exist in himself then the dissociated bad floats about and can attach to other people.

I have to accept you as you are because to judge you is to project on you the "not like me" or "like me" judgement. And so I must withdraw my request for you to accept me, because that was a projection; judge me, non-accept me or not, its up to you! I project, I believe everyone projects, so that is a projection. I have moments, indeed elapses of time of not projecting, but to live in this world, in my belief system, involves projecting to interact with others. It is kind of in the requirement specification. When I project I get the consequences of that. When I keep quiet and say nothing then I get nothing back - which is great! But life is not about retreating to a mountain top, its about engaging, exchanging stories however painful to the perceiver and teller. So there are times when I fall out of accepting others and times when I'm feeling accepting.

Whatever I do or express is part of your external universe. In my universe, the external tells me either messages for itself or for me depending upon the pronoun usage, and upon whether that usage is being manipulated. Normally it is not, and so therefore I have some rules that are easy to follow as to whether its a message for me or whether I can choose to ignore it or reflect it back.

There is no direct relationship between shock and "me is you". Indirectly, there could be an interplay whereby one soul commits the shock for the life experience of the other; thereby making sense of Jesus forgiving others "for they know not what they do". Maybe a comfortable old belief system? Or maybe a greater truth.

Manic laughter, seeing things back to front from the normal are represented as psychoses in psychiatry, no? Well, part of the crystal clarity is the enormous humour of the universe (maybe why Tibetans smile so much and why Douglas Adams knew too much). The truth is so horribly funny and the more serious the person the funnier they are! And it gets even funnier when they get angry! no wonder small children get into trouble for laughing, making noise and disrupting the peace and silence of serious adults who have lost touch with their childhood.

The only disease on this planet is SERIOUSNESS. Everything else are just side-effects and symptoms of seriousness. And I'm being SERIOUS!

love Morpheus