Summary of David's latest work

[forumadmin]

After Clean Language and Clean Space came Emergent Knowledge. Well, the boundaries are blurred of course; David Grove's development style was emergent and evolutionary, in the sense that new ideas emerged from his previous work and evolved into a new synthesis which would be added to the mix and so on.

For visitors to the site who are new to David's work, does anyone have descriptions or links to descriptions of David's latest work in
emergent knowledge,
the significance of 6 iterations,
the space of ABCD
and other ideas and processes?

Please post them here as a reply.

[Steve Saunders]

Emergence - to migrate not here and now aspects of self into full body alignment.
6 and 7 patterns: 6 represents Sunday to Friday, 7th represents Saturday - the 6 navigate space or time or movement to get to a centre of information, which is then understood on the 7th (pause point). The 6 also represents the 6 degrees of separation between people on this planet and also between the aspects of an individual (as within so without).

[Forumadmin: was this proposed relationship (between the 'power of 6' work and the days of the week) David's metaphor or someone else's?]

A - client here and now perspective
B - goal or issue perspective
C - space that holds AB in place and apart
D - time or that which lies outside the boundaries of present knowing
E - emergence
F - facilitator space

Steven

[Steve Saunders]

Bear in mind, metaphor was no longer part of David's work with emergence or space, it was treated as a container (Greek: metaphora, amphora) and the worlds of metaphor the strangely-scaled worlds between "real-scaled worlds". Emergence navigates cleanly and quickly across the (6) strange worlds to get to the next real-scaled world, where information is held. Decoding the information during the pause point (7) leads to new understanding and insight - allowing the conscious mind "to catch up".

a simple exercise from 2005:

When you say 'I', whereabouts could your 'I' be?
or, rhetorically:
"When I say I, whereabouts could that I be?"

then
"and what kind of space could the space be around that I?"
or
"and how old could that I be?, and what could [age] be wearing?"

and what could be around that? (5 times)

the final answer will include a pronoun or implied pronoun (a deleted pronoun) of the self or of another person.

Emergence Navigates between these pronouns. The information lies within each pronoun - so go inside them to emerge what lies within and go around to emerge the environment. Which way?
e.g.: I feel angry (inside) / I feel anger (outside)

What is the purpose, though, of making these navigations?
It is to network-up the real-scale worlds containing the pronouns, eventually enabling deconstruction and release of the structures and the information held in the structures.

Why do the structures exist? A trauma, or a "measurement" happens when consciousness is interrupted or something is not understood. Measurements can be located in space/time or in movement (clean motion). Mind then comes into being to seek understanding of the event. In a healthy society mind does its job and people return to no mind state. But if loads and loads of projections and traumas happen then mind is overwhelmed. Only a space of no projection from facilitators really enables the most effective unfolding of understanding and unmeasurement leading to wholeness and no mind.

I hope this at least gives some insight or at raises some questions ...

love Steven

[Steve Saunders]

Posts edited and deleted, thus losing the context are undesirable IMO.

I feel like deleting ALL my posts on the forum if admin is going to edit my postings. The only reason I have not is because of Corrie asking me not to.

Relating to the days of the week metaphor, it is mine, not David's. Matthew loves it and finds it a better form than David's words. Shame you, Phil, deleted the explanations of the meanings of the days and how they relate because it really was informative relating to emergence and why it works. I have the words saved in a document - for all my postings, just in case the big delete happened.

Never mind, people will just have to come to my workshops instead! ;-)

[phil]

It's around 3 months ago that I removed what at the time I felt was off-topic content from your post. I can't remember the ins and outs of it. Sorry if it offends you. It probably isn't the ideal, I agree.

I was trying to distinguish what was David's EK description and what was someone else's. As you have just confirmed, the days of the week metaphor was yours so I imagine I felt it would be better represented in EK Developments?

Happily, you have saved that explanation of the days in your metaphor, so maybe you could post it in EK Developments and link it to this thread. Obviously all threads and posts are also archived in the forum backups.

If you wish to continue this conversation about rules of practice on the forum, please start a thread in the Feedback forum.

Phil

[phil]

I have realised that this thread asks for 'descriptions of David's work' so, since your 'days of the week' metaphor is a description of David's 6 process, it does belong here. So if you want to add back here your explanation of how the days represent the 6 iterations, clarifying that this is your metaphor, not David's, for his powers of 6 stuff, that would be great.

If the days of the week metaphor becomes a process in its own right that you build into an approach, then I imagine you will agree it would be better in EK Developments.

[Steve Saunders]

So the Tuesday/Wednesday boundary is the wobble, like crossing from C to D. And in emergence, to get to the sunny side of the dark problem things get worse before the profound change gets better - just as in systems thinking.

And on our forum we've had a wobble - and wobbled over into today, Wednesday, before emerging constructively with a renewed desire to make collaborating work on the forum.

If we are censored we might lose the lows that precede the gains, because every symptom should be worked WITH, not fought. Maybe therefore, emerging the symptoms we can ask some iterating questions of the co-respondents? Such as:

"and as you are [anger]'ing, now what is emerging? and then what is emerging? ...

Regarding the pattern of 6/7 - this is an unpolluted model embedded into almost every human, and coupled with the 6 degrees of separation fits why the 6/7 work so well for such a large % of people and problem structures.

I think I did once table the parallels of David's 6 and mine, but if its gone or in another thread I'd only post again if someone really needed it.

The 7 represents the pause (0 or 7): Saturday - look up Saturn and the archetypal meaning thereof. 1 represents what do I know (A's perspective) - thus the Sun-day a radiant expression from the self, 2 represents what B knows - Moon-day the reflection from the other - thus the client emerging what B knows, then the space around (C): Mars/Tyr's day - god of hunt/war/world around of course. Then going back to sources or into the adjacent world (D): thus woden/mercury-day, then going forward to create anew (enter more deeply the adjacent space) - Thor/Jove-day - lightning strikes ... then manifesting the new space/harvesting the abundance of the 6: venus/freya/frigg-day ...

It's a better model IMO than the original explanations of the 6/7 because it resonates more easily with everyone not previously exposed to the old model.