hi

[hina]

i want to ask how in clean language we judge the sequence of questions when to ask which question and how we come to know that the change has occured and more over tell me whether this therapy can solve all problems. and pl tell whats the best way? therapy by drawing or just by asking questions?
more over if a person is not much educated and he refused to reply properly or if he start telling stories in replies then what to do

[hina]

hi
i am giving you two problems can you please make it assumed cases for me by asking supposed questions and by finding the solution.
problem one
suppose if a person come to me and say

i want to earn much money and i havent even food for eating and i am an un educated man solve my problem than what to do.

problem 2

if my friend say me that i want to get married and tried every possible thing but failed to get married because no one likes me for marraige every one is cheater and just want friend ship with me, now tell me something that i can find a true man to get married.

[hina]

well what if some one report a facilitator that her son is habitual of telling too much lies and he dont even think it bad i want my son to be changed how would you help me without directly informing my son.
then what the facilitator (clean language therapist)will do pl reply

[phil]

i want to ask how in clean language we judge the sequence of questions when to ask which question

This is something that comes with practice mostly. There are a few small 'routines' like asking 'where' 2 or 3 times when looking for the location of a feeling or symbol and there is a routine for getting someone to focus on what they want rather than only on their problems. It's called PRO and you can find references to it in the Clean Language forum.

In Clean work, the principal guide to which question to ask is the infomation that your client presents to you. Listen carefully. Notice your own response to what they say. In their description, is there something that seems to be missing or that seems not to fit in with the rest? Or something in what they have said that they seem puzzled about or say they would like to know more about?

Or maybe they just realised something that helps them see things more clearly, understand themselves better: ask more questions about that.

and how we come to know that the change has occured

Pay attention to your client. Probably they will tell you something has changed. In Clean work, we do not seek to change the client. Change (if that's what they want) will emerge from out of their exploration of their desired outcomes as a result of their whole system learning. That can be one of the hardest things to learn as a Clean facilitator - many of us want to help people - but it's fundamental to this process and philosophy.

and more over tell me whether this therapy can solve all problems.

No.

and pl tell whats the best way? therapy by drawing or just by asking questions?


There's no really 'best' way. Or put it this way: the 'best way' is the way that the client learns the most.


more over if a person is not much educated and he refused to reply properly or if he start telling stories in replies then what to do


It depends what you are judging to be 'answering properly'. In Symbolic Modelling we often find stories full of metaphors that tell us (an more importantly the client) much about how their system is organised.

You are unlikely to find people willing to answer questions about specific cases on the forum, Hina. Please don't think us unhelpful. When working with a client, a Clean therapist recognises that he knows practically nothing about them, that he does NOT know all the answers, that the Client is the Expert in the subject of the Client and the Therapist is the Novice and always will be.

So a Clean facilitator holds her beliefs about what is happening for the client very lightly, is ready to change them at a moment's notice and most important of all does not communicate those beliefs or judgments or assumptions to the client.

I hope that helps. Oops, there, you see...that's me trying to help you!

Phil

[Steve Saunders]

Dear Hina,

Whatever answers we might suppose will very probably be wrong because there are so many causes and environmental considerations to make. Therefore clean facilitation avoids diagnosing and sticks to developing and evolving metaphor (Symbolic Modelling) or emerging new solutions (Emergence).

Hina: "I want to ask how in clean language we judge the sequence of questions when to ask which question and how we come to know that the change has occured and more over tell me whether this therapy can solve all problems. and pl tell whats the best way? therapy by drawing or just by asking questions?"

Personally, therapy by drawing is the easiest and least intrusive solution for you because otherwise you need proper training in Symbolic Modelling and many hundreds of hours of practice. just add questions like "and does anything go on there?" and let the client's system sort it all out through adding paper and more drawing.

Hina: "more over if a person is not much educated and he refused to reply properly or if he start telling stories in replies then what to do"

Whatever his reply is the reply, do not judge it. If he starts telling stories ask him to draw or represent the stories - avoid getting into dialogue and avoid having to listen to stories - its all story anyway.

Hina: "i am giving you two problems can you please make it assumed cases for me by asking supposed questions and by finding the solution. problem one: suppose if a person come to me and say i want to earn much money and i havent even food for eating and i am an un educated man solve my problem than what to do."

So get him to represent this problem on paper - draw it, and keep adding things until a new perspective arises for him.

hina: "problem 2: if my friend say me that i want to get married and tried every possible thing but failed to get married because no one likes me for marraige every one is cheater and just want friend ship with me, now tell me something that i can find a true man to get married."

1. She sounds like she is creating a reality where she is attracting cheaters or perceiving cheaters, or she is right and they are cheaters. She is asking to be told something to find a true man - this is what she could represent - how to recognise a true man - what is a true man like - is she deluded from movies?

Hina: "can we change a liar. well what if some one report a facilitator that her son is habitual of telling too much lies and he dont even think it bad i want my son to be changed how would you help me without directly informing my son.
then what the facilitator (clean language therapist)will do pl reply"

Maybe he is telling the truth and the mother is perceiving lies. Maybe he is afraid of the consequences of telling the truth, from her or from another person, or afraid the truth might hurt someone else, or maybe he is going through a phase that will pass, or maybe he wants to impress because of low self-esteem? Lots of possible reasons.

The facilitator gets the mother to realise she is making her son the way he is - the mostl likely scenario. He is only showing her what she needs to see.

I know that all my answers are likely wrong, and that is the point - clean facilitation asks clean questions only! Read Metaphors in Mind!

best wishes

Steven

[Nancy]

Hi Hina,

I work with people who are long term unemployed. People in this position are used to having others tell them what to do, give advice and try to solve their problems, or rescue them.

I prefer to ask clean questions - what would you like to have happen?

with the resources they currently have and the outcomes they're trying to achieve, what can they do for themselves? I have come to believe, after many years working in this field, that solutions and change are more sustainable when they are devised by the client themselves.

Therefore I would give very little advice in the scenarios yo describe - I would ask questions and facilitate the client to 'model' their experience instead. I would use Clean Language to do this.