Clean Language, PTSD and Remote Video

[Michael.Doherty]

This is my first post to cleanforum, and is of two parts.

1. It seems to me that Clean Language is a preferred treatment for helping someone with post trauma stress. I'm surprised that Clean Language is not more widely known and practiced, especially here in the United States.

The Department of Veteran Affairs PTSD Fact Sheet on Treatment of PTSD, http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/facts/treatment/fs_treatment.html, mentions Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy, Exposure Therapy, Pharmacotherapy, Eye Movement Desensitizing and Reprocessing (EMDR), Group Treatment, and Brief Psychodynamic Psychotherapy.

Nothing about Clean Language or Symbolic Modelling. Searching for these terms on the above web site produces zero results. (I also did a search of cleanforum.com and found nothing for PTSD)

I ask myself what is wrong with this picture? Maybe the colonies are just behing the times? :-(

2. I've begun experimenting with using Clean Language using remote video, or video chat as it's sometimes called. There are pros and cons to doing this.

The cons. I miss being in the same room with the client. At first, it was hard to concentrate and focus. I found myself having to take more notes than I would in an in-person session. I miss out on some of the client's non-verbal, and he/she miss some of mine.

The pros. Remote video treatment of PTSD (or PTS, the term I prefer) has the potential to reach people that otherwise might not receive treatment, either because treatment is not available to them locally or because they are averse to seeking treatment for any number of reasons.

For remote treatment, I see Clean Language having some advantages over the "prescribed" treatments mentioned above in #1. It seems easier to do treatment remotely if I can stay "clean" with my language and not contaminate the client's process with my own symbols and metaphors.

For me this will be an interesting experiment, and comments or suggestions are appreciated. I am especially interested in anyone's experience treating PTSD on the one hand, and remote treatment on the other.

Also, if anyone is interested in meeting online for a video chat about these and other topics, let me know by email.

Best regards,

Michael Doherty
Austin, Texas USA
rmdoherty at gmail dot com

[Corrie van Wijk]

Feedback to Steve: "your way might be too gentle for them [PTSD sufferers] to believe in it."

Michael: "It seems to me that Clean Language is a preferred treatment for helping someone with post trauma stress. I'm surprised that Clean Language is not more widely known and practiced, especially here in the United States."

Dear Michael,

I found this thread when I was looking for something else, and somebody else, a client of Steve, recently had some feedback on it, that I would like to share with you.

What, in your opinion, would be a good way to market clean in the US?

Corrie

[Michael.Doherty]

Corrie wrote
What, in your opinion, would be a good way to market clean in the US?

I have no particularly creative marketing ideas, sorry. I did write some thoughts on Clean Space at http://metawhisperer.blogspot.com/index.html

[super_yacht@hotmail.com]

Hi Michael,
Great to hear from you. David did a lot of work in the early days with PTSD.

I was reading recently where they are advising on an NLP course here in the UK to do a phobia cure (10 minutes) on clients with PTSD. This makes your sentiments even more important; to think that a 10 minute session is going to help PTSD is being irresponsible in the highest magnitude.

In the UK little is done for veterans (who are only one group that suffers PTSD), I have made noises in various areas but it always comes back positively if I’m happy to volunteer my time and energy.

One area that maybe of interest maybe NLP in New York. After 9/11 they opened up to alternative therapies to work with trauma clients from the event. NLP was found to be head and shoulders above anything else that was tried. You might get some mileage from this group http://www.nlpiash.org/dnn/ (http://www.nlpiash.org/dnn/)

Regards

[Corrie van Wijk]

Clean is different from NLP and although any effective treatment would be welcome in this area, this forum is about clean.

John, could you explain the differences between the two approaches?

[super_yacht@hotmail.com]

To introduce Clean or Emergence will lose its power if done cold. By showing people how NLP works and then pacing and leading on to what Emergence does gives them new learning. This is how I do public talks on EK, its to much to introduce it as a new theory because it is so different, almost all other therapies are process led, some become client led, few if any are information led. It’s a paradigm shift.
Also Michael asked how could it be introduced into mainstream areas, NLP I believe is one path. Yes it is different but can be introduce as an additional skill. While my comments are not about ‘Clean etc’ they are one way to raise profile the profile of what we all do. Without getting it out to the masses there would just be me, you, Steve and Phil talking about it. As enjoyable as that is……………….

More later, I’ve got a radio show launch to go to. How the ……. Am I going to talk ‘Clean and emergently’ in that?

Cheers

[Corrie van Wijk]

John: "Without getting it out to the masses there would just be me, you, Steve and Phil talking about it. As enjoyable as that is………………."

Fortunately there are a lot more people that know about EK, like Caitlin, the French community and probably a few in the US. David and Carol wrote a good article on it, and we have the syllabus we made for Keiko. There will probably be a lot more if the cleanworlds site will go public. David was reluctant to publish about EK untill he would be more sure about it.

Right now Steve is catching up with us, and it is very useful to compare his and David's approaches from where they separated.